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iPods half full of illegal tracks

Posted Mon 16 Jun 2008 3:53PM BST by Mitch Carter in The Guestlist

Research conducted by the University of Hertfordshire has uncovered that 48% of the music stored on the average digital music player has been downloaded illegally. The figure rises to almost 80% amongst teenagers. The extent of illegal downloading by one of the largest survey of youth music ownership has shocked the industry, which is struggling to cope with declining CD sales.

Former Undertones front man Fergal Sharkey and now Chief Executive of British Music Rights said "I was one of those people who went around the back of the bike shed with songs I had taped off the radio the night before. But this totally dwarfs that, and anything we expected." His comments certainly seem to reflect a growing trend, as CD sales declined by 10% in 2007.

The study also shows:

63% of people illegally download

Just 15% of respondents are persuaded not to upload because of the risk of getting caught

95% engage in some form of copying

Have you ever downloaded a track to your ipod illegally and if so how much of your music collection does it account for?

755 Comments

61. daniel -
i think some of the comments on here are very bad and people need to look at themselves before making comments especially behold_the_curmudgeon.

now i don't defend that illegal copying is bad there should be measures put in place to stop, how i wouldn't like to even begin to think how that would happen.

but while there is a loop hole people will exploit it.

in my opinion after a certain time that the track has come out it should be available free that way people will buy the new songs to be Cool!

like movies after a certain time they appear on the T.V for everyone to watch. makes sense don't you think???

62. Ben -
Ill admit I have illegally downloaded, however the way I see it its onyl get an opinion on an artist. Theres nothign better than a new cd. I download, see if I like the album, and if its good I buy it, if its average i keep it on my mp3 player and ifs its bad i get rid of it.
If an artist is good, they will get the money they deserve from me.

63. Sean -
it all comes down to your own moral decision

legal music is quick, easy and of amazing quality, illegal music is slow, has no song info and is of poor quality.

music is a way of life, limit the free music - limit someones quality of life.

on the other hand poeple need to make music, and if there's no profit there aint gonna be professional music

64. Surma -
i think thats abit too harsh to call a person 'scum' because of the fact that they download illegally-you never now what kind of financial situations people may be in, that therefore persuade them to download from free sites. Penny pinchers yes are sickening, but only in certain cases such as refraining from spending money towards things that are socially of benfefit to others such as the government, charities etc. At the end of the day its these corporate companies that lose out.

Surely a person refraining from spending on a poor family without food is more 'sickening' then someone spending on some corporate company that is proabably takign advantage of people in poor countries in the first place.

And it is that kind of person that i think truly is 'scum'

65. john m -
I don't own a f8%king ipod, not all mp3 walkmans are called ipods, ok!

There is so much good free music out there, there's no need to download illegal music anymore. Open your eyes and dig deep, you'll be surprised at the talent giving it away for free.
Forget the icons, fashion, photo shoots, fancy videos...get back to the music and let these stars argue with each other about why no one buys their crap anymore!

66. Yahoo! Music User -
How is it illegal to download music if you going to use tracks for your own personal listening?. To me as long you don't distribute them for gain its fine. To me its all politics

67. Yahoo! Music User -
mp3 should be for free:]
and it is at the moment, so is ok. Neither artists nor listeners should feel bad about downloading it and listening it:]

68. Yahoo! Music User -
i download music,but i also buy cds,i dont think theres anything wrong with it.does this make me a theiving chav.you can find some great old stuff on the inter net,which you wouldnt find in most music shops

69. rob -
ah boo f####n hoo,been ripped off long enough,payin the best part of 20 euro for a cd in ireland,which were suppose to be indestructable,i reckon im owed a few freebies for all the scratched albums ive had to throw out,viva la piracy

70. Yahoo! Music User -
who cares? no one will stop you. i have 500gigs worth of illegal music, and i aint worried , there are bigger problems in life than illegal music, besides, like artists arnt rich enough

71. Yahoo! Music User -
mainly drum and bass and goa on my comp - but to be honest i own cds of music you can actually buy in the genre but most of it is download only anyway so its hardly stealing- its the only means of getting it!

i still think most people like to have a cd collection, if anything downloading might make some people aware of a band they would have never bought a cd from, and may actually make the artist more money from going to live shows and supporting them.

either way, its here to stay and has been happening for the past 8 years or so....

72. Surma -
sorry that comment was made in response to this:

So, what? A car is expensive so do you steal that too? Perfume is expensive, do you shove a bottle into your bag on the way out the shop?

CDs are actually cheaper than they were ten years ago, where in the likes of HMV you would be paying £15 for an album. The new Coldplay album was £7 in Asda. That's less than a pound a song.

Stop making excuses, you penny-pinching LOSER. You're here on a MUSIC site yet you're too cheap and nasty to actually put your hand in your pocket and pay for the music you like?

People like you make me SICK. You should be ashamed of yourself. Scum.

73. Yahoo! Music User -
I understand that downloading music tracks for free is in fact illegal (because of that, I avoid it at all cost) but there are alot of people who can't afford buying the real thing. It's ok to say an album is only £7 from ASDA but for some people, £7 is a lot of money and can feed a family for a week. Not everyone has the money to pay for the music. I do enjoy music but often I can only listen to what my friends have (which I often don't like) because I can't just go out and buy an album. Unless the record companies stop paying such large prices, illegal downloading won't stop. Music is nice to listen to and shouldn't be held in the captivity of big buisness.

74. Yahoo! Music User -
Heloooooo "behold_the_curmudgeon",
Well no one is stealing something and keeping for themselves forever and being selfish.

U go to Shop and buy water , there its well packed and is in bottle, so we buy there, doesnt mean we shouldnt drink water in the well or rivers, same goes to music baby..... music once it is in mp3 format and on internet, its no ones property.
Its not like all we are stealing artists money. Every music album makes money( by high quality music enthus). Get adjust to the fact that , thats there is saturation of every music albums life time.

Its not like either music industry or artists are poor, they are fu#%ing rich.
So whats the problem, I am not making money of selling the CD copies, we have it in our Ipod and just enjoy them ourselves.

75. lucigovi -
Downloading files from P2Ps is not illegal. These files are all from a big network of shared files, aka a big library from the computers of the world. It only becomes illegal when someone sells these files. But most P2P are free. And the ones who charge any amount, imply that they are charging for a service: which in reality is true because they are not the ones who actually add to that so called library, it's the people who use the program. Now, how they got these files in the first place is a completely different story.

76. Yahoo! Music User -
It's all about the money... and if so then it's a sad day...

Radiohead set a good example with their las outing and allowed users to pay what they wished (albeit with a minimum price to pay)...

everything changes...

Come on HOLLAND!! You can do it!!!

77. stuart -
music prices are a complete rip-off anyway, no wonder we download illegally, piracy will never cease but we can dramatically reduce it by bringing down the prices........alot!

78. Yahoo! Music User -
I don't get what's the big deal!! it's just music and i'm sure that not that many people download the music which is not illegal! so this doesn't really matter and people might change their mind after looking at this '

Yahoo User

79. Yahoo! Music User -
Illegal music download sites will never be eradicated, the president of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has admitted.

Cary Sherman told BBC News Online that music would always be available for free somewhere on the net despite costly court battles to shut down illegal music sites.

He said the aim was to bring the proliferation of sites under control so that business were free to continue to make money.

Even if illegal sites were removed now, a huge vacuum would be created



Mark Mulligan, Jupiter Research


"Our aim is not to completely eliminate music piracy or illegal peer-to-peer services altogether, " said Mr Sherman.

"As long as it is within a reasonable amount of control then we will be happy but we are still a long way from that."

Mark Mulligan, an analyst with Jupiter Research, agreed that the music industry would never fully be able to eradicate illegal file sharing.

"There will always be those willing to develop alternative illegal services.

"It has got to be accepted that file sharing will always be there just as shoplifting is accepted as wastage in the retail sector."

Mr Sherman's comments come as research shows more people than ever are willing to pay for songs on the internet and the music industry starts to hope people will turn to legitimate services.

'Exploding

According to Jupiter, 19% of people surveyed said they would pay for song downloads over the internet, up from 16% a year ago.

The RIAA, which has spearheaded court action against illegal sites, said legitimate online music services were "exploding".

"The overriding goal of our efforts to curb illegal internet music trafficking has been to foster an online environment where the legitimate services can succeed," said RIAA chairman Hilary Rosen. Legal music sites


Musicnet

Pressplay

Rhapsody

Rioport

Emusic


"It is also encouraging that the extraordinary progress of the legitimate online market in the US is being mirrored around the world," she added.

But Mr Mulligan said major music labels and online music distributors were yet to convince the masses that the internet was a good source of paid-for music.

The music industry is convinced illegal music downloads are having a detrimental effect on record sales.

Album sales in the US in 2002 were down for the second year in a row - dropping more than 10% on the previous year.

Mr Mulligan said the proliferation of illegal sites had to be tackled before people would start paying for their music online.

Pledged

"Illegal file sharing has to be driven into the underground by making legitimate offerings compelling," he said.


The music industry is targeting downloads at work
The RIAA has pledged to crack down even harder on illegal music sites in 2003 - targeting offices and universities where people use computers to download songs.

"We are taking the message to universities and corporations that illegal downloads waste bandwidth and expose their networks to security problems," said Mr Sherman.

The scale of the problem is huge - in 2001 IFPI and affiliated national groups were responsible for the removal of:


1,060 unauthorised servers

28,000 pirate web and music sites

700 million unauthorised music files
The IFPI estimates that 99% of all music files exchanged on the net are illegal and that in May 2002 there were about 500 million files available for copying at any one time.

'Experimentation'

Mr Mulligan said the offerings of US services MusicNet and Pressplay, which are backed by major labels, remained "experimentation".

"Even if illegal sites were removed now a huge vacuum would be created.

"In the US there are a handful of legitimate offerings but in Europe there are almost no real legitimate forms available."

Mr Mulligan said that in Europe there needed to a higher penetration of broadband, simpler licensing agreements and more legitimate offerings before the market could take off.

He said: "The whole of the internet has been a free content model. You have to convince people that it is worth paying for good quality content."

Mr Sherman admitted that the only response to illegal peer-to-peer services was to promote "legal, attractive alternatives that will make consumers want to pay for their music".

80. Yahoo! Music User -
Heloooooo "behold_the_curmudgeon",
Well no one is stealing something and keeping for themselves forever and being selfish.

U go to Shop and buy water , there its well packed and is in bottle, so we buy there, doesnt mean we shouldnt drink water in the well or rivers, same goes to music baby..... music once it is in mp3 format and on internet, its no ones property.
Its not like all we are stealing artists money. Every music album makes money( by high quality music enthus). Get adjust to the fact that , thats there is saturation of every music albums life time.

Its not like either music industry or artists are poor, they are stinking rich.
So whats the problem, I am not making money of selling the CD copies, we have it in our Ipod and just enjoy them ourselves.
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